Do you eat dairy?

AD, I'm saying that the reality of the situation is that the PA won't do anything. I think you mentioned it, but they just have no inclination. If they can continue their hold of power based on manipulating their people's belief that the Israeli's are "evil," then they will. Why would any power hungry person give that sort of power up?

Hence, because the PA won't do it - it has pretty much fallen to Israel. Yes, they try, but they're going to need to try a lot harder than they are. Sometimes, in a group, when a person doesn't pull their weight, you have no choice but to pick up the slack for the sake of the rest of those in the group. In this case, the PA has shown no inclination. So then what? Do the Israeli's just abandon it all?

I do find it giggle inducing that you claimed socialism/marxism, when I commented with this: "Governments have never lied to anyone; they are the bastion of honesty, I should believe my government."

Yes, and eggs.

Hmm, I could probably adjust the recipie to take out the hamburger and put in, say, tofu or something else; it sounds great though.

When I was a Seventh Day Adventist (many moons ago) I remember they had veggie meat.  They used to make veggie meatballs etc that you could not really tell the diff.  My friend is a SDA and she buys this meat all the time.  Not sure where tho.  You could check with your local SDA I suppose because they are mostly vegetarians. 

Anyhow this is all you do for MEXICAN BEEF AND RICE:

1 lb ground beef

1 cup long grain rice (not minute rice)

1 16 oz jar of salsa (mild, hot or medium)

1 15 oz can of black beans

1 1/2 cups Mexican Blend Shredded Cheese

Brown the beef in large saute pan until brown and crumbled.  Drain grease.  Stir in rice and two cups water.  Bring to a boil.  Reduce heat to low and simmer 10 minutes.  Stir in salsa and beans and cook about 8 minutes or until rice is tender and water is absorbed.

Sprinkle with cheese, cover and cook until cheese melts. 

That's it!  Soooo easy but really very good.   Makes a good amount.  Very good leftover for lunch the next day. 

I also sent you a recipe via PM.  KFC's is easier than mine. KFC you were a SDA?  They've gotten better over the last couple of decades.

Yes and baptized into it. 

How so?  I have a friend who I've known for about 20 years and I haven't noticed much of a change in her. 

Thanks all for the recipies, here's crossing my fingers.

What did Israel do to deserve being punished?   Why are you giving the PA a pass (but claim we need to stop giving a pass to Israel)?

The PA is not 'slacking' here (at least through the leadership of Chamas).  They are sabotaging the group's efforts! If someone was not only NOT helping you with your project but purposefully sabotaging any progress you are trying to make, you wouldn't say, we need to try harder.  You would report them to the teacher or confront them trying to put pressure on them to be subordinate.  But that's not what you want to do.  You are saying Israel needs to work harder to not just overcome the work necessary to be successful but to overcome while someone is sabotaging.  This is absurd!

Giggle all you want but your claims were very fundamentally socialistic/marxist. A quote doesn't subtract from this fact.

I can help you with a VERY mean huevos rancheros, would say that is my most excellent recipe.

AD, it's the friggin reality of the situation. Stamping your foot and insisting that the PA do something, when you damn well know they won't - solves nothing. So, because of that reality...unfortunately, it's Israel's job, because they're the only ones that will do anything.

You may not like it, and it may not sound fair - but that's the way the things are.

Agreed, the idea that the PA won't do shit is absurd, but because the PA won't do shit (because it takes two to tango AD), and if Israel really want's peace (which I'm sure they do), then what else is there to be done, except Isreal stepping up the attempts at peace?

Either they do that, and confirm million of people's belief that they want peace, or they don't...then what?

You're calling my comments on picking up the slack and knowing when the other person doesn't want to cooperate...socialism/marxism? Dude, you're seriously not focused.

Hmm, that sounds tasty.

Is it AJ, or have we created a situation where the PA have NO incentive to promote peace?  Over the weekend Abbas (PM of PA) said unless Israel plans for giving up some territory and cease of construction in West Bank, he won't come to the table.  What I am saying is that just because it 'seems' like it is the reality of the situation doesn't mean we or anyone else should put an unjustified additional burden on a country that has already been bending backwards?

If you, Leauki, I, and Israel knows that the PA won't do anything why then do you insist that Israel give up something knowing that they will get nothing in return especially 'Peace?'

Really?

Karl Marx famous slogan is/was: "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need."

Basically what I'm hearing from you is....

Israel has more therefore they should give more towards the peace (ie make more efforts, need to step up, etc) process because the PA has shown little (they won't do anything) therefore they should receive more.

So please show me how I'm not focused?

I've not eaten any soy sausages but I would imagine you have.  SoyBoy came up with some great reviews but I have no idea.

I don't cook with measurements so I'll have to sit down and put together approx measures.  I'm a sniffer cook (constantly smelling). 

The key to huevos rancheros is the green chile.

Either way it is the reality of the situation. Sure, *we* shouldn't, it is Israel's affairs. I don't mean that we should do it, but that the wway I am seeing the situation, Israel could do it/should do it in my opinion.   

My biggest concern, is why the hell they don't tell their people  to stay out of the west bank/gaza and simply say that land is now Palestinian. Simple, right?

Either you're hearing me wrong, or I'm not getting my point across. I'm not saying lets all join in hand and become socialist, I am saying that if Israel really wants peace - it will have to concede. Yes, yes I know...it will have to do more yet again, but isn't peace worth the price?

The only other option is to continue the war; therefore alienating more peopple, causing more deaths, making the palestinian people hate them more, etc...

Or maybe I'm pointing out the insanity of doing the same thing as in the past but expecting different results?

Just as simple as telling the PA to stop firing rockets.

Yes and rewarding them for their hate has been prosperous for peace?