Several of you JUs know that my wife is from Kyrgyzstan.  Most of you probably don't know that her parents are Leaders of a small Messianic-Jewish congregation over there. 

There is a bill that has just passed KG's legislative branches that effectively force small congregtions (less than 200) to either disperse or to go underground. 

I just really hope that President Bakiyev does not sign this legislative bill into law. 

Your prayers are greatly appreciated.


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on Nov 07, 2008

I realize this could go under religion as well but this primarily is a political issue.

on Nov 07, 2008

Ok AD.  Will do.  We have missionaries in other parts of the world and are seeing this as well.

I'm afraid we're going to see more and more of this kind of thing.  I'm actually thinking by the end all genuine Christians will be meeting underground like they did in the first Century.  Churches will not  totally close, giving a semblance of normality but will be filled with secular believers. 

 

on Nov 07, 2008

Thanks KFC.  Sadly, the SDA are likely responsible for this bill coming into action. From my understanding they have forced their way in several times there even after being officially banned.  I suspect this is a way to just kind of eliminate such missionary work. 

According to the article though I don't agree that with their rationale that religious organizations aren't getting along.  Especially, in the capitol Bishkek.  It's about the same as we have here in the US however the only hostile areas are down south around Osh (southern KG) where it is heavily dealing with Islamic radicalism. 

I'm thinking that if this continues it'll either go underground or to Israel .

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My inlaws would probably be at that mark but they out grew the house that they were using for services and are in the process of trying to find a larger building.  Before they were denied access a building they had been renting they were pushing around 100 and showing signs of growth.

Guess all I can is hope and pray.

on Nov 07, 2008

Why?  Are they that afraid of religion still?

I will pray for you and your family AD.  God speed to all of you.

on Nov 07, 2008

Why? Are they that afraid of religion still?


I'm not what the actual issue is but I know the SDA's really messed things up a few years ago with the forceful ministry. 


Also Doc, keep in mind that their neighboring countries harbor Islamic Radicals and they may be thinking of trying to protect themselves from them as well?   I don't know a whole lot other than this has been a piece of legislation in the works for quite some time.  I'm praying that the Pres pulls his head out and vetos.

Kyrgyzstan is considered the most democratic country from the soviet block.  This in my opinion would be a major step towards what they were freed from in the early 90s. 

 

Thank you for your prayers Doc.  I'm feel somewhat bad living here in Colorado and my family dealing with this.  Well, maybe this will force them to move here?  I'd be cool with that.

on Jan 16, 2009

UPDATE:

 

On Tuesday Jan 13 President Bakiyev signed the bill into law.  LINK

On a more positive note at this time they aren't forcing closures of registered organizations that were registered before this bill was signed.  I just don't know how much longer this will be the case.

on Mar 23, 2009

Any report on the effects of this law now that a few months have passed?

on Mar 24, 2009

Any report on the effects of this law now that a few months have passed?

 

Thank NC.  So far there have been a few congregations that have been closed.  My Father-in-Law's congregation have still been able to operate.  I know they are in persuit of some other small congregations to 'coop' with in order to meet the federal requirements. 

The state is basically using the KGB to attend different services and monitor.  If a congregation is deemed to be operating illegally they are quickly closed down.  Sadly, since I have been there a few times (and hopefully again in August) i've there is alot of corruption.  Heck we paid a bribe just to get my wife out of the country last time!

Thanks for asking.

on Apr 02, 2009

Good luck to your family. Don't risk a trip if things appear to be worse, especially if your wife doesn't have US citizenship yet.

on Apr 02, 2009

I am, as you probably figure, not convinced that making Jews into Christians is a good thing, but such a law can ultimately be used against everyone, so I will pray the congregation.

I know that Messianic (i.e. Christian) Jews are also praying for me and mine.

 

on Apr 02, 2009

I know that Messianic (i.e. Christian) Jews are also praying for me and mine.

and non Jews (Christians) are as well Leauki. 

I recently heard that Jews are being really persecuted in Sweden with increasing velocity.  It's hard for Jews to even walk down the street with yarmulkes on for fear of violence.  Check out this very disturbing video. 

http://vodpod.com/watch/1428923-sweden-in-grip-of-islam

The whole world is in need of prayer right now and the Jews I'm afraid are going to bear most of the brunt as anti-semitism is increasing daily. 

 

on Apr 02, 2009

and non Jews (Christians) are as well Leauki. 

Yes. I know. Thank you!

 

I recently heard that Jews are being really persecuted in Sweden with increasing velocity.  It's hard for Jews to even walk down the street with yarmulkes on for fear of violence.  Check out this very disturbing video. 

http://vodpod.com/watch/1428923-sweden-in-grip-of-islam

I wouldn't walk down the street in Ireland with a yarmulke either. It's too risky. The media keep telling us of "islamophobia" and how Muslims are being persecuted in the west but I have yet to see a Muslim who is afraid to be recognised as a Muslim here.

Note that the mostly left-wing idiots in Sweden are not necessarily Muslims, are most often not even immigrants, and have no experience at all with Jews or Israelis. As you know, those who don't know or have ever met Jews are often among the most fanatic anti-Semites.

I wouldn't travel to Sweden but I was not afraid to be identified as Jewish in northern Iraq!

 

The whole world is in need of prayer right now and the Jews I'm afraid are going to bear most of the brunt as anti-semitism is increasing daily. 

Yes.

I keep wondering why no Muslim cleric calls for a jihad against the Sudanese government for enslaving Christians in the south and murdering hundreds of thousands of Muslims in the west of Sudan. Of course I'm not really wondering.

http://citizenleauki.joeuser.com/article/344720/The_Arab_Empire_and_Slavery

 

on Apr 02, 2009

Good luck to your family. Don't risk a trip if things appear to be worse, especially if your wife doesn't have US citizenship yet.

Thanks NC.  The previous issue was because her name on her passport didn't match her greencard (married name).  We previously checked with Gov't officals they said it won't be an issue (which after research is true). The way the whole situation played out was a dead give away of corruption.  There are camera's at the customs entry where you show them your paperwork that you are legal to leave the country and enter into the destination country.  There is only ONE place in the seating area that blocked the camera from seeing due to a very large screen TV.  The high ranking official sat in that location to finalize the cash deal with my wife (this time $150).  The original deal was done with the customs officer which my wife negotiated from 300 down to 150.  The High Ranker later became upset at the reduction and later threatened my wife that they wouldn't let her board the plane. 

We basically calculated our costs.  It would cost us around $100 to get the ticket changed and the other things we would have to do for her to meet their false requirements.  My wife was ready to stay if they forced the $300 issue. Some how during this whole thing I am surprised I didn't get thrown in jail.  I became pretty unruly!  Some of the other airport workers were trying to prevent me from speaking to my wife who was waiving me to come to her.  Hehe, yearh right like that was gonna happen!

Even more upset were my in-laws!  My father-in-law was red with fury when he found out what happened.  He knew something bad was happening when I side stepped an airport official and back through security to their daughter.

 

Anyway:

We are currently waiting for the KG Embassy here in the US to send us her revised passport with her married name. 

We can only hope that we won't have any issues when we go back in August (so we are planning).

on Apr 02, 2009

I am, as you probably figure, not convinced that making Jews into Christians is a good thing, but such a law can ultimately be used against everyone, so I will pray the congregation.

Leauki, I think you have a misconception of what Messianic Jews are.  We still observe the Torah lifestyle and its feasts like practicing Jews.  I don't desire to get into a theological debate over this but wanted to clarify what Messianic Jews are.  I would argure they are closer to Judaism then they are "Christianity."

As you stated the problem with this is about Gov't control of what people can believe or not. 

 

on Apr 02, 2009

Another Update:


I am hearing now that the KG Gov't is looking into abolishing the restriction on size of registered congregation (currently at min 200).  This would be a blessing if this regulation is done away with!  Thank you all for your prayers.

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