Why aren't we supporting Israel here?

Here's a question: Why do we always, ALWAYS, give Israel a pass? We need to stop playing lap dog to the country and tell them to grow up, so to speak.

Why should any country be told what to do?

I've been predicting this for three years AD here on JU.  Somehow we are going to lose our grip on Israel.  I don't know how and when exactly but I do believe we are going to back away.  When we do, it's open season on Israel.

It seems as tho Obama is hurrying this along.  If so, I do believe God has put this "king" in place for a purpose. 

Good, Israel shouldn't get any passes. We don't, France doesn't - so why should they? (And please, no scripture...)

That's presumptious.

Question: Why do you always veer from the topic of the article by always playing the "they do it too" game? Why don't you tackle the point of the article which is Obama does not believe we should be building nuclear power plants yet he believes it's OK for Iran to do it?

What's the purpose of the UN? Why was the Geneva Convention implemented? Why do we have International Law? Are you saying we should allow Iran to proceed with their nuclear ambitions and hope energy is their only goal?  I'm not too sure you are thinking some of your comments too well AJ.

So now you are against freedom of speech and the right to post what we want within the rules of this site?

AJ, your recent comments are even more scarier that before. You seem to want to let the world just do what it wants and we'll sort out the dead later. I'm sorry buddy, but I would rather safe than sorry. My kids get mad at me all the time for stopping them from doing things I believe are wrong, they will eventually learn it was for their benefit.

Scary?

I'm saying we ought not stick our noses where we do not belong. We're not the world police. If we're going to look out for ourselves, then fine, but I would rather not be the one that pokes the bull in the china shop one too many times.

And I agree, it is better to be safe than sorry. But at what cost? Do we be safe, premptively/proactively at the cost of looking like bigger asses?

Wow, where'd you get that from my comment? I just know KFC decently to know that she could reply to my argument with scripture, which honestly doesn't add to a discussion like this. At least, not in my opinion. It was a request, and it's all well and good and fine with me if she doesn't care and provides scripture. I just hope she doesn't expect me to reply to it.

I'm trying to look at the Israel/Iran/MidEast deal with facts, logic, etc. Not the bible. I mean you don't take a biology book to a math class, right?

I'm saying that we need to just leave them alone; us first, israel later. It isn't like we haven't the capability to dispatch Iran with our military. It comes off as our nation being like the idiot who plays with the shotgun and blows his foot off. He's left wondering why, when it was his actions that caused the problem.

In a sense, I'm just looking out for us in a different angle than you are.

On the contrary, my question is valid because it leads to my point. Why bother meddling in other people's business. Granted, there are those who will hate us no matter what, but in a lot of cases - if you listen to a lot of people's comments who live elsewhere - it is us meddling that causes problems.

Iran has openly said they want to blow Israel off the map.  The Iranian president said the holocaust didn't happen.  Iran has a history of sending arms to Hezbullah and Chamas. 

Besides who is giving them a pass?  It seems to me that the UN is putting more sanctions on Israel than any other country in the area.  Leauki could probably give better details here.  How come you don't hear about Palistine giving up some land?  How come you don't hear about sanctions against Palistine unless they are instituted by Israel? 

Israel is trying to grow up but the fact is the countries around them are not willing to recognize them as an adult.

Um, because they want to murder lots of people just because of hate!

This true, several of us here have expressed this concern.  Since you are claiming the prediction do we get to blame you? After all you spoke it into existence. hehe

Please tell me how Israel is getting passes?

PS. your anti-semitism is showing.

Funny how he ignored your question.

AJ, let me ask you a question.  If a man says he wants to burn your house down with all your family in it.  Would you give him a box of matches hoping he'll use it to build himself a fire to stay warm in the winter?

This is hilarious!!! Wasn't just a short while back when liberals were worried about how the world "perceived" the US under the last administration? Shouldn't we have not been told what to do? How the pendulum swings. Change!!!

Then who is?  Should we just leave every dictator and terrorist run around and do as they please?  Remember, that countries like Iran want to completely remove Israel from the map.  I guess we should just sit by and let that happen.  But of course, that is exactly what Obama is doing.

"Land for Peace" means "Israel gives up land and receives peace in exchange". It does NOT mean "the Arabs give up land and receive peace in exchange".

The international community is well aware of the fact that Israel wants peace. That's why everyone agrees that it is the Arabs whose willingness to make peace must be bought.

From this we deduce that Israel must be forced to give while we must be happy if the Arabs will accept those gifts and keep the attacks to a minimum.

For every people but the Jews "peace" is considered a right. Only Jews have to pay for it.

(But that is fair. The other non-Arab minorities in the middle east do not even get the option. They are just slaughtered at will by the Arabs. Of course the US won't help them. The African-American president is too busy making friends with the perpetrators to help his African cousins. I wonder why Sudan gets a pass? If Israel did anything like the Holocaust in Darfur or treated prisoners as described in that letter, I am sure the UN would not shut up about it.)

As for Iran's need for nuclear energy... most western countries have stopped building nuclear power plants because producing electricity with oil, coal, and gas is cheaper and safer. Iran is swimming in oil. So they obviously need nuclear power to produce electricity. I have no doubt that about.

But it is interesting to see that the same people who worry about the risks of nuclear power in the west don't really have the same fears when the damn things are built in one of those weird places filled with brown people. (Iranians are white, but who knows this? And anyway, they are foreign.)

My friend Kaveh Farrokh points out how westerners think about Iran and Iranians on his Web site:

http://www.kavehfarrokh.com/articles/nordicism/

He has a point.

I originally befriended him when I found myself looking at the same Spiegel article about Cyrus the Great he was criticising. The Spiegel article was filled with historical inaccuracies and translation mistakes.

(For example, a Hebrew word meaning "to break" was translated as "to buy" to create the illusion that it was referring to paying with coins which wasn't possible at the time the Torah was officially written. Instead the word refers to break silver, a method of payment common before the invention of coins 3000 years ago.)

Doctor Farrokh criticised the article from a historian's point of view and found several errors too.

An interesting read, and it too explains a lot about typical western attitudes towards Iranians and Israelites.

When did Israel ever get any passes?

(France did when they invaded Ivory Coast. Also for their colonial wars and their participation on the Axis side in World War 2, as did the "Palestinians" and Iraq, but that's another matter, perhaps.)

Israel, I think, might be the only country in recent history that does not only get no passes but is also criticised for things that didn't actually happen, like the Jenin "massacre" and the UN school that the UN lied was hit and then corrected their report and told the truth (that it wasn't) after the damage was done.

Interestingly enough, Iran is blaming the US for a recent terror attack against a mosque in Iran. They must have changed their mind about such "resistance". The Iranian government's position about such terror attacks used to be that it was completely acceptable for one country to fund terror attacks against houses of worship in another country. I wonder what changed their mind...