wow talk about carrying a burden. whewwwwww!!!!!!!

I was hoping you'd stop by MM. They also are hosting their second annual march to Dachau, Germany visiting 9 concentration camp sites along the way during Holocaust Memorial Day (May 2 this year).

How sad that they would pass this guilt onto their children instead of rise above the crimes of their fathers and do something good for Germany.

Someone needs to help them understand that they carry no guilt for what their ancestors did.

Maybe you missed the part where the Pastor was talking about Generational Curses?

Ted, I think they are doing something good. They are remembering what happened when people were silent and did not speak. Many Germans that I know look at the WWII as a 'dark' period that is not talked about nor discussed. With Holocaust deniers on the rise they are simply speaking out and saying that it DID happen and DON'T want to see it happen again. Germany has a quickly growing Muslim population. I think this is good that they are making a stand.

I didn't come away with that feeling. I'm sure some do carry the guilt but the whole idea of repentence is to be free from guilt.

When it spoke about how the sins of the people would be visited upon the third and fourth generations quoting scripture, I take that to mean that our sins we commit affect not only us personally but can run much deeper than that affecting even my yet to be born grandchildren.

LW, I can clearly see that you are disturbed by this but I'm not the one that said they were forgotten. I endorsed this video as being powerful. Hitler indeed wanted to eradicate and make these a forgotten people.

I have been doing a bit of research on Russian History (as it pertains to my wife and her family). I definitely agree with you that there are many that are actually forgotten. Very little is talked about Stalin and his 'relocated people.' Ukrainian civilians were utterly devastated by both sides. Once Germany came through if you didn't give your crops to the SS you were killed and they took it. When Russia came back through the Ukrainian civilians were raped and killed as 'traitors.'



I believe there is a video produced by BBC that does talk about what you are talking about. It's been at least a year since I've seen it (not to count how many by BBC I've seen). I know it was from NetFlix.

we always tend to focus on the jews killed in germany but forget the jews that were killed in russia,more russian jews died from the time of lenin to stalin then hitler on hitlers best day. i think this type of activity should be stopped but the voices are very,very few,most people are cowards and never speak up,me i speak up and out daily,i encourage others to do so also,i was mad when the usa condoned the tanamin square incident and turned its back out of cowardice and allowed those people to be murdered,i am mad that the usa is not speaking up in the sudan,kenya,and other rogue nations that are comitting genocide.

lets stop the hate,we all live on this dirt ball and it is high time we learned to get along without killing each other over nonsense.
terry

Dude:

If keeping the reality of the holocaust alive is the purpose, yes, I can support that. But to hold lay a guilt trip on present and future generations is no different than anti semitism itself.

The Jews of today didn't crucify Jesus, with few exceptions, the Germans of today didn't run the death camps.

I've been to Dachau. Even as a young 8 year old kid, I felt the evil that permeates the place. The tour guides told us of the atrocities, we looked into the showers and ovens. Of course, I had no comprehension of the inhumanity that happened there. Not at 8 at least.

It wasn't until years later, in Jr. High History class. Mr. Burnside showed slides of the ovens and showers. He taught us about the holocaust... as if in a flashback, the feeling of pure evil washed over me again. I began to understand.

That is what needs to be past on to future generations. The understanding of the inhumanity that occured. The shame and guilt lies with those who perpetrated such evil, not on those who happened to be born in the family line.

If keeping the reality of the holocaust alive is the purpose, yes, I can support that. But to hold lay a guilt trip on present and future generations is no different than anti semitism itself. The Jews of today didn't crucify Jesus, with few exceptions, the Germans of today didn't run the death camps.

Yes we must remember. No we must not dwell in the past.

Right on both Parated.  I dont think this is dwelling, but remembering.

Right Doc. I'd take it one more step than just 'remembering' it is taking an active step to stand against what happened from happening again. For me being a German Jew to hear that pastor who was a descendant of SS Nazi say, "Never Again!" It made me want to rejoice and shed a tear at the same time. Everyone on here agrees that it was an atrocity but seem to miss the HUGE GROWTH factor here. These are people whose parents were KILLING Jews and civilians, and they are taking a stand against what their parents doings and saying we will not follow their lead!

Maybe I'm the only moved by it?

Dude:

Amen!



Nope, I just misunderstood the point at first.

I keep in mind the amount of Gypsy's, Polish and Ukrainian people that were also included in Hitlers final solution. Yes good old Joe Stalin made Hitler and Saddam look like Amateurs when it came to killing, Stalin even put Mao and the Viet cong clean up look like pikers.

The Jews are remembered because they have poured billions in making sure no one forgets, there are no such voices for the rest, sadly.

But there are still those who simply want to forget.

Marianna's grandfather was actually in prison during WWII as an 'Enemy of the State.' His last name was a familiar Polish Jew name. In prison he managed to change his last name (in this case adding an extra s in the middle of it) to make it sound more Russian. He was later released and shipped to the Ural Mountains (near Siberia) which was a common ground for Russian Jews to be shipped. My sweet and beautiful wife is here today because her grandfather survived WWII and Stalin because he was in prison.

Just an addition to what I said.

Perhaps. And perhaps they are remembered as they were specifically targeted for Genocide, while none of the others groups were (they were just considered less than human, so death was a statistic, not an issue of remorse).

Millions of Poles and Slavs were killed, but they were not targeted. They were killed because they were in the way, the Nazis did not go out of their way to find them and kill them like the Jews.