I am hearing many politicians as well as those that for the immigration bill (that would essentially give free permanent residency with a renewable Z-Visa) stating that they do the job that American's don't WANT to do.

The irony is that they are correct however I find their notion to be very misleading.

The reality IS that very Americans would want to spend their summer out in the HOT sun picking lettuce, onions, tomatoes, peppers, or whatever else anyone cares to name. Here's the job scenario:

You work long hours 8-10 hrs a day, 6 days a week.
You don't get paid sick days.
You don't get paid or work on rainy days.
You don't get health insurance.
You don't get paid vacations.
You work under the HOT summer sun.
You pick such things like onions where your hands smell like onions for days afterwards or tomatoes where your hands are green for a few days after.
There isn't much future in working up the corporate ladder.
Some on the job training (need to make sure they pick items when they are ripe).
It is a seasonal job.
And you don't make much more than minimum wage.

Is there ANYONE our there that would WANT this job?


This to me is just an excuse rather than a reason to deceive Americans in allowing an Amnesty bill to pass. There are many jobs that I didn't WANT to do but did them in order to pay my bills. How many kids do you hear saying, "when I grow up I wanna be an onion topper" or "when I grow up I wanna be a janitor (sanitation engineer)?"

Everyone wants to be chief but how many want to be indians?


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on Jun 14, 2007
that just seems kinda underhanded.


I disagree...here's why:

In most states employment is "at will"...meaning your employer can dump you because you looked at them funny. They are obligated only to pay you a set rate and within certain time limits. Beyond that they have no loyalty to you whatsoever.

You're not signing a contract with them, you are simply agreeing to work. As long as you give your two weeks' notice at the end of the summer, you are doing everything an employer should reasonably expect of you.

Good luck!
on Jun 15, 2007
In most states employment is "at will"...meaning your employer can dump you because you looked at them funny. They are obligated only to pay you a set rate and within certain time limits. Beyond that they have no loyalty to you whatsoever.

You're not signing a contract with them, you are simply agreeing to work. As long as you give your two weeks' notice at the end of the summer, you are doing everything an employer should reasonably expect of you.


Very true. But then she still has to live with herself.
on Jun 15, 2007
Very true. But then she still has to live with herself.


Exactly. What ever happened to the day where your word meant something?
on Jun 15, 2007
So lie! You gotta have a job, so lie through your white little teeth.


In this world it seems that's the best option at times when it comes to survival.

Maybe I should say I'm looking for part time and then just quit at the end of the summer....that just seems kinda underhanded.


Understandable, but I have learned that while I like being nice and doing the right thing onhas to realize that not everyone will return the favor and you sometimes have to deal with breaking your own rules if you want to survive.

I agree. Keep searching!


Again, understandable. But if eventually the search yields no results, would you then recommend her to break her own rules, kinda the way LW said? If so, then why waste time looking and not getting paid for looking if you gonna eventually be forced to lie to get a job?

amandapearl2


I suggest you do your best to stay true to yourself but when push comes to shove you will have to bend a few rules, even your own, if you wanna get ahead in life. Take it from me, a guy that would do everything by the book, and would feel bad to leave a company stranded for what ever reason while they have to deal with a rookie (it has happened to me 3 times in the past 4 years), You just have to do what you gotta do, the company will survive so long as you do what Gideon MacLeish detailed so nicely above:

As long as you give your two weeks' notice at the end of the summer, you are doing everything an employer should reasonably expect of you.


Oh yea and good luck.
on Jun 15, 2007
Exactly. What ever happened to the day where your word meant something?


I cry myself to sleep every night knowing they have disappeared for good.
on Jun 15, 2007
Hey thanks guys, I'm calling a couple places today, maybe something good will happen! I did seem to charm the manager of one store....I'll just have to use my good looks and magnetic personality lol.
on Jun 15, 2007
Exactly. What ever happened to the day where your word meant something?


How is it breaking your word to work through the summer AND GIVE YOUR TWO WEEKS AT THE END? I'm frankly appalled that EITHER of you would imply a lack of integrity at the suggestion that she omit the fact that she's "only" looking for summer work.

Who walks to ANY employer, let alone a minimum wage employer, expecting to indenture themselves to that employer for the rest of their lives? Employment is almost never "permanent" in this country and any employer that expects it to be so better pay a WHOLE LOT more than they're paying.

I'm at a job I happen to love right now. But I will eventually leave it. Why? Because the town I live in doesn't have a 4 year college, much less a law school. Does that make me some kind of sleazy individual? No, I am giving my employer exactly what I promised them by showing up every day when I'm scheduled while I am here. And I will give them 2 weeks' notice at the end.
on Jun 18, 2007
Why would she have a problem living with herself unless she's sworn an oath to work at this particular job (whatever it may be) until the day she retires or dies?


LW, I think we took your suggestion a little too literally than what you intended.

Don't volunteer anything might be a better way to put it, don't tell them you're only looking for summer work unless they specifically ask. It they DO ask, she could say that she may need to adjust her schedule later in the year, but that she'd give them plenty of notice in the event that happens.


This has always been my approach. I was asked during an interview, "where do you see yourself in 5 years?" I told them I don't know where I see myself specifically. If things worked out well here I would probably still be here if not I would move on and be persuing something else. I believe we can still be honest. If I didn't get that job then that's fine. I knew I was realistic and honest with them.

The weirdest question however I received in an interview was, "What type of animal do you associate yourself with and why?"
on Jun 18, 2007
The only way to get summer work is thru temp agencies these days.
on Jun 19, 2007

The only way to get summer work is thru temp agencies these days.

That is the worst way.

on Jun 19, 2007
Not necessarily. Many temp agencies pay pretty well in order to attract quality help, and often offer benefits that wouldn't be available to anyone working less than 40 hour weeks. It's a good way to try your hand at many different things, with little long-term penalty for job-hopping.

The most promising job I ever had in my life was offered to me by Kaiser Engineering after I had worked on one of their projects (a nuclear plant under construction) for several months as a Manpower employee.


I agree with whoman and LW here. During college I worked one summer with Adecco (temp agency) and got paid pretty well. Alot better than I started out as a cashier at a car wash.
on Jun 19, 2007
so unless amanda is VOLUNTEERING this information, "Hi, I'm looking for a summer job" it may never even come up.



It's not that I'm volunteering information, I have to indicated how many hours I'd like to be working and if i'm interested in full time, part time, or seasonal. I don't want to lie on my application, so I check the seasonal box instead of part time.
on Jun 20, 2007
That is the worst way.


Not necessarily Doc. I got this job thru an agency. Sure, it doesn't apy $20 or 30 an hour but it pays the bills and I am now a permanent employee with chances of advancements.
on Jun 20, 2007

Not necessarily Doc. I got this job thru an agency. Sure, it doesn't apy $20 or 30 an hour but it pays the bills and I am now a permanent employee with chances of advancements.


The only challenge with some of these agencies is they sometimes don't let you go if you try to become permenant.
on Jun 20, 2007
The only challenge with some of these agencies is they sometimes don't let you go if you try to become permenant.


Actually, A-D, many of these agencies have a fixed term contract with the employers. They have you for the first six months or so, then the employer is free to hire you on a permanent basis. At any rate, there are ways around everything.

Temp agencies provide great opportunities, not only for kids, but for transitioning workers who are between jobs, and for college students.
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